Growing Up Before Waking Up
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A student struggling with purpose and confusion asks whether joy and love are anything more than thought, and the teacher gently redirects toward the foundation of "growing up" before pursuing awakening.
Growing Up Before Waking Up
A student struggling with purpose and confusion asks whether joy and love are anything more than thought, and the teacher gently redirects toward the foundation of "growing up" before pursuing awakening.
Change might be possible, but for what? I'm not finding the purpose for it. What is the change for?
It will be for the direction where you will feel good. Everything that is so difficult will become easier to face, and that which you can't imagine can appear: joy, well-being, enjoyment, friendship, laughter, love. All of that is possible.
Sometimes that doesn't make sense, though. What is love? What is joy? What is laughter? It's just thought, right?
No, it's not thought.
I don't know.
I'm just proposing that you can discover for yourself that it's not thought. It's real and it's valuable, but you can discover that for yourself. I'm not going to convince you. You will know it for yourself. It will be the core of your experience. It's possible.
The glimpse nine years ago
I've experienced this once. I was listening to Eckhart Tolle and there was a separation of me and thought. There was nothing else. That was about nine years ago. I also connected it to non-duality, and it confuses me. The intellectual understanding becomes really confusing, and it can become problematic as we're growing up. It creates a lot of problems right now.
Yes, exactly. Some teachings are more useful depending on where we are on the journey. Non-duality can become problematic if we're at a certain stage. Depending on the stage we're in and what we need to learn, different teachings and different practices are more valuable.
Exactly. I'm at the stage where I don't need waking up. I need growing up, I guess.
Waking up versus growing up
Waking up isn't so important right now. We need the proper foundation for that.
Yeah, the growing up part. The path of love, the teachings of love, self-love. That's non-existent for me right now.
And that's part of growing up. As you said, you need health in your life. Help with yourself, and knowledge. That's what you need right now for growing up.
The need for action
There needs to be a movement now. I've done lots of listening and not doing anything. Now there needs to be some doing on my part.
Action, exactly. Action is needed. You can get out into green nature and do sports. What about listening to music?
Music is good, but I cannot listen to songs. I can't concentrate on lyrics anymore. Classical music is okay. Just music is okay, but not songs.
No need for songs. Classical music is just fine.
Yeah, I'm going to listen to more music. I think I'll go to bed. Thank you.
I'll talk to you tomorrow. Thank you.